Firstly : Online Sandbox=An open world is a type of video game level design where a player can roam freely through a virtual world and is given considerable freedom in choosing how or when to approach objectives. Video games that include such level design often are referred to as "free roam" games.

I do howerver like the idea of making low sec missions work better. Maybe better drops also? Some attention needs to be on bringing the mission runner back into the game though in any case.

My idea is to remove level 4s from low sec and buff low sec missions to give better rewards as follows;

Low sec level 1 = High sec level 2
Low sec level 2 = High sec level 3
Low sec level 3 = High sec level 4

This will give new players a choice. They can either stay in high sec and skill up a badly trained BS to run level 4s, or they can take their BC into low sec and get the same reward running level 3s. They will be able to cover the cost of a lost ship with just a few missions so the risk is more appealing and they will get into fights and find the game a lot more enjoyable, plus it will bring more targets into lowsec for gankers so there will be more enjoyable gameplay for all.

I just looked up the definition. I didn't bend it to fit an agenda

They did change the AI enough so that low skilled players loose more drones and lowby ships. So the end result was...More expence, less attractive to new players, oh yeah; less rewards.

Yeah, I've seen those people in the rookie channel and NPC corp chats. Still, I think this kind of reward would be too great for many mission runners to ignore.

Rant much? Anyway... Not very on topic.

If missions were modified in a way that they could incorporate PvP and player interaction, that would be a worthwhile change but I feel it would also be a very time consuming process and probably very difficult to implement successfully.

Your a hero kiddo. LOL....

lol again Solsice, really go find something better to do than beef in this thread. Tippia made the best post in here. If we start from there perhapts we can move along in here.

Separate from the PVP verse PVE issue... There were a couple good posts on topic. I am mostly curious to see if there will be any new ideas in the area of missioning. I guess given the direction of the posts there isn't much sunshine at the end of that tunnel. PVP is the general direction I guess folks are pushing for. Seems to make sence when the arguments for go the way these have gone. I hope to see more stuff on the actual PVE/Indi type of stuff and less on the PVP stuff for the future of the posts. I guess it's whatever it will be at this point.

I posted on here with regards to finding out more information on missioning. Not to change my direction in the game. You started off offensive and have now go so far as to threaten PVP. LOL...Have fun doing whatever you want. Obviously it's all about you You can't take a hint when someone tells you to **** off.

I'm not carrying my nose high at all. I just wanted to find out if there was a thought process on bringing more life into missioning. I had no intention of putting anyone down or picking a fight in the forums. I didn't want to go this direction at all. I'm no "Forum Warrior" . I'd much rather just discuss the missioning aspect more. I didn't jump on your thread and start anything. If picking on people for posting here is what you like to do.... All hail your massive epeen.

Okay your right... A mission Rattler verses a PVP hurricane is exactly the same thing, so is a Navy Raven PVE verses a Vigilant setup for PVP. LOL what are you smoking? And neither do Indi/Mining skills have a direct corelation to PVP. Hulkageddon ring any bells?

My idea of revitalization would be eliminate the tiers and change the goals. The goal of missions now is to get to L-4... that should change.

New players should be given reasons to run L-1s in Frigates for long enough that the skill up the appropriate supporting skills. L-1s should offer lowsec long story lines that are short low ISK risk operations. Help teach the new player that after a couple of months his frigates skill, while not equal to a ten year old vet, can make them competitive. Show them the loss of a ship isn't that big a deal if cost is keep manageable. Some will never like it, while many will.

Running L-1s in and Assault Frigate should be a viable income to a two-three month old player, but not worth doing for an older player.

Each Level should be about a learning a ship class... not a rush to Battleships.



Of course...I could be wrong.

LOL :) Thank you all. I must have come across here in a manor that I didn't relate to and/or understand. If I have come across as arrogant I sincerly apologise. Solstice Project I apologise to you as well. I didn't post here to fight or put anyone down. I am not very comfortable with my skill progression, and I haven't yet found a corp that I can call home. I am very new even for a toon that is 2011. I have a great deal to learn and am not trying to present myself as knowledgable in any way. I'm just trying to get a handle on the direction of game play that intrests me. Currently I'm pretty much just soloing missions. I try to make a few rigs of sell minerals or scraps. Trying to expand my perview here a little.

and you are going to do the same, telling people what they have to do, because you think, the way you play eve is the right way ....

I just asked the wrong questions of the wrong folks.

I missed it. Where are the new notes on the Marauder Class?

Wow somebody had the nerve to ask about "Missions" In GD. Massive Balls you have OP. My hat is off to you.

Harry has been trying to pvp me for a while now

Eve needs more interesting missions. Small fleet based engagements that require a variety of roles, incorporating PVP elements such as alpha, tackling, and logistics. Something to fill the gap between solo missions and the larger fleet incursions.

I can't say I agree with this.

A sandbox game doesn't mean you have to play with others at all. Sandbox simply means there is no fixed route you have to head through, that once you're in your free to build and destroy sandcastles as you want. Maybe you want to build a massive twenty story sandcastle on your own and no one ever comes near you, you're still playing in the sandbox.

Mission runners are interacting with other players just not directly and via combat, they're buying the ammo and ships players build, the deadspace modules found out in nullsec and then giving back to others with faction ammunition, implants and modules from the LP store.

Missions could do with an overhaul, they're not really engaging or interesting to those running them and don't encourage co-operation or teaming up. Although I would rather not see a system which forces teamplay over solo, some people do enjoy just logging in and solo'ing a few missions.

CCP posted some ideas for a reinvented mission system in the missions forums a few months back and it got a lot of positive feedback. I would say the reason we don't see it is because of the time investment it would take during development and the amount of complaining and whining from the "EVE is only PVP" crowd.